Cross referencing Theocracy with BL.Com and Wade and Frank's World
Dear Loved Ones of Cyberspace:
I have come across a fascinating conversation between Dr. Bruce Gourley of www.baptistlife.com and a frequent poster there, Jonathan of Indiana.
Jonathan likes to play the semantic differential to nothingness, make that know nothingness, but Gourley has the upper hand on him on this one and it is interesting.
Gourley has read Kevin Phillips, is into Michelle Goldberg; and to my knowledge Jonathan has not and it is showing.
The fog machine is not working for Jonathan this time. His faux erudition is coming to the warm spit of Charles Pickering; though James Ault does make a case for warm spit, as much as one can be made for such in his Spirit and Flesh.
Meaning, in the Ault context , for better or worse the remedials, the busybodies who man the Rotary Club and Chamber of Commerce and fund the great engine of Baptistdom and UMC and other civic and religious infrastructure of America; we have to be patient with them or else we do become the meritocracy they so fear, and then what would we do with Larry the Cable Guy or all the characters of George Singleton's Half Mammals of Dixie we all go to church with or have loved ones who do cause we were born into it and that is what we are.
But I digress.
Here is the realpolitik for you lurkers, William and others who can do something about it.
Call Aunt Mary at Eastside BC in Marietta. Ask her if she voted for Ralph Reed or the other guy in the primary today. NYTimes not only messin with the War Eagle, they messin with Aunt Mary as well, doing major feature on Cobb County and the lock Reed has on in it in an AP story that got picked up in among other venues, the Sunday gadsden Times where Gloria coulda read it if Butch thought it wouldn't hurt her little dainty eyes; or if she had time to take her eyes off the prayer concerns where she seems obsessed with me instead of having some reconciliatiion conversations that do not resemble a kangaroo court.
Ain't no theocracy in America? Come to Collinsville Alabama and I will show you Victim Exhibit A: My Own Damn Self as some of AFrican American friends and a few crackers who pick up euphemisms like that are want to say.
Roger Millken. 1999 New Republic by Ryan Lizza said he told Goldwater to run in 64. Jim Guth, noted Furman poli sci proff told me he tried to plant Recon Gary North on Furman faculty in early 70's. Pat Anderson of the CBF is a Furman grad, about same time as Marshall Frady.
Have Pat Anderson or Gus Niebuhr or some other Furman grads look into that story. Could be as big as the Gezork scandal of the 40's that made the Alum mag couple years ago.
Talk to Baxter Wynn on staff at FBC Greenville. Heck, have Willimon look into it for the Christian Century.
And whatever Aunt Mary did at the booth today, check out Chick Fil A Truett Cathy's history with the John Birch Society. My Papa had a short stint in the Klan as did Hugo Black; but he pilgrimmed on.
What bearing does Cathy's prior political predispositions have for Ralph Reed and what happened in Georgia today. What does it mean for Karl Rove and Richard Land and where Dawson Memorial and FBC Riverdale and Montgomery send their Cooperative Program dollars.
These are the explorations GQ or John Grisham's Oxford American should take as a sequel to current story on Reed.
And here is something to put it in larger context from my friend Randall Balmer, twice Dotson Nelson lecturer at Samford, most recently October 2002. Got to spend an hour with him that day talking film, and greased the way to gettin him on statewide public tv. Was proud of myself.
Balmer spoke at National Mstrm Convo in Nashville Feb 04. Was there for that as well.
Here is Balmer's latest stellar thoughts. www.chronicle.com/free/v52/i42/42b00601.htm
and another for the Friday update. Check www.baptiststoday.org for the Boston Globe link to Mitt Romney's Mormon problems shaping up for the SC primary.
Irony is what Frank Page and a multitude of other good baptists in the state, I imagine Chip Campsen chief among them, was the ugly, the godawful mess Richard land of the ERLC was complicitous in in the SC Primary of 2000. Rove and George W were the Antichrists in that contest and Bill Rauch spells it out in his book Politikin, the chapter Principles.
As Harold Bloom points out in american Religion, in Realpolitik there ain't a dimes worth of difference in the average member of Frank Page's FBC Taylors church, and a Mormon. It is not about doctrine or orthodoxy as some would have, but whether or not a candidate acts out the fruits of the Spirit. for that see the New Testament and Randall Balmer above. Richard Land and Mitt Romney, Romney is probably a better Christian; but Tom Daschle's politics are more Christlike for this country, more than the both of them.
Jonathan your fundy hiney is showing at Bl.com. You have not done the requisite reading, fundy bro.
Let's all stay in touch.
On the way to Wade's board now to bring his attention to this as Cathy's son in law is former VP for the IMB and we simply cannot export any nuance of Gary North to foreign fields.
Let Wofford do what it must. Baptists must be about something else.
Love Yall
Stephen Fox
July 18, 2006, a Tuesday, the day I voted for George Jr. cause it was in my heart and the unwitting closet Recon, My Friend, John Killian, asked me to.
And here is an update with the explosive revelations about Frank Page and Women's ordination, with asides about Mohler and how Frank came to Dilday's defense when the fundies got him in the 90's.
www.baptistlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3009
And any Greenville, SC lurkers, keep your eyes on the local papers with this explosive story for the Upstate, Furman and Bob Jones and Morton and Staton's stompin grounds on the WestSide.
Also raised the question, had the hack from Eastside BC Marietta Georgia who slimed Winfred Moore and Jackson been around to do damage to Frank Page pre Gboro, would Frank assumed the Presidency?
Was was that goons name? I saw him once at Jerry Vines old Church in Rome Georgia.
Day later, something Roberts, of Eastside Marietta, was him, I thank
I have come across a fascinating conversation between Dr. Bruce Gourley of www.baptistlife.com and a frequent poster there, Jonathan of Indiana.
Jonathan likes to play the semantic differential to nothingness, make that know nothingness, but Gourley has the upper hand on him on this one and it is interesting.
Gourley has read Kevin Phillips, is into Michelle Goldberg; and to my knowledge Jonathan has not and it is showing.
The fog machine is not working for Jonathan this time. His faux erudition is coming to the warm spit of Charles Pickering; though James Ault does make a case for warm spit, as much as one can be made for such in his Spirit and Flesh.
Meaning, in the Ault context , for better or worse the remedials, the busybodies who man the Rotary Club and Chamber of Commerce and fund the great engine of Baptistdom and UMC and other civic and religious infrastructure of America; we have to be patient with them or else we do become the meritocracy they so fear, and then what would we do with Larry the Cable Guy or all the characters of George Singleton's Half Mammals of Dixie we all go to church with or have loved ones who do cause we were born into it and that is what we are.
But I digress.
Here is the realpolitik for you lurkers, William and others who can do something about it.
Call Aunt Mary at Eastside BC in Marietta. Ask her if she voted for Ralph Reed or the other guy in the primary today. NYTimes not only messin with the War Eagle, they messin with Aunt Mary as well, doing major feature on Cobb County and the lock Reed has on in it in an AP story that got picked up in among other venues, the Sunday gadsden Times where Gloria coulda read it if Butch thought it wouldn't hurt her little dainty eyes; or if she had time to take her eyes off the prayer concerns where she seems obsessed with me instead of having some reconciliatiion conversations that do not resemble a kangaroo court.
Ain't no theocracy in America? Come to Collinsville Alabama and I will show you Victim Exhibit A: My Own Damn Self as some of AFrican American friends and a few crackers who pick up euphemisms like that are want to say.
Roger Millken. 1999 New Republic by Ryan Lizza said he told Goldwater to run in 64. Jim Guth, noted Furman poli sci proff told me he tried to plant Recon Gary North on Furman faculty in early 70's. Pat Anderson of the CBF is a Furman grad, about same time as Marshall Frady.
Have Pat Anderson or Gus Niebuhr or some other Furman grads look into that story. Could be as big as the Gezork scandal of the 40's that made the Alum mag couple years ago.
Talk to Baxter Wynn on staff at FBC Greenville. Heck, have Willimon look into it for the Christian Century.
And whatever Aunt Mary did at the booth today, check out Chick Fil A Truett Cathy's history with the John Birch Society. My Papa had a short stint in the Klan as did Hugo Black; but he pilgrimmed on.
What bearing does Cathy's prior political predispositions have for Ralph Reed and what happened in Georgia today. What does it mean for Karl Rove and Richard Land and where Dawson Memorial and FBC Riverdale and Montgomery send their Cooperative Program dollars.
These are the explorations GQ or John Grisham's Oxford American should take as a sequel to current story on Reed.
And here is something to put it in larger context from my friend Randall Balmer, twice Dotson Nelson lecturer at Samford, most recently October 2002. Got to spend an hour with him that day talking film, and greased the way to gettin him on statewide public tv. Was proud of myself.
Balmer spoke at National Mstrm Convo in Nashville Feb 04. Was there for that as well.
Here is Balmer's latest stellar thoughts. www.chronicle.com/free/v52/i42/42b00601.htm
and another for the Friday update. Check www.baptiststoday.org for the Boston Globe link to Mitt Romney's Mormon problems shaping up for the SC primary.
Irony is what Frank Page and a multitude of other good baptists in the state, I imagine Chip Campsen chief among them, was the ugly, the godawful mess Richard land of the ERLC was complicitous in in the SC Primary of 2000. Rove and George W were the Antichrists in that contest and Bill Rauch spells it out in his book Politikin, the chapter Principles.
As Harold Bloom points out in american Religion, in Realpolitik there ain't a dimes worth of difference in the average member of Frank Page's FBC Taylors church, and a Mormon. It is not about doctrine or orthodoxy as some would have, but whether or not a candidate acts out the fruits of the Spirit. for that see the New Testament and Randall Balmer above. Richard Land and Mitt Romney, Romney is probably a better Christian; but Tom Daschle's politics are more Christlike for this country, more than the both of them.
Jonathan your fundy hiney is showing at Bl.com. You have not done the requisite reading, fundy bro.
Let's all stay in touch.
On the way to Wade's board now to bring his attention to this as Cathy's son in law is former VP for the IMB and we simply cannot export any nuance of Gary North to foreign fields.
Let Wofford do what it must. Baptists must be about something else.
Love Yall
Stephen Fox
July 18, 2006, a Tuesday, the day I voted for George Jr. cause it was in my heart and the unwitting closet Recon, My Friend, John Killian, asked me to.
And here is an update with the explosive revelations about Frank Page and Women's ordination, with asides about Mohler and how Frank came to Dilday's defense when the fundies got him in the 90's.
www.baptistlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3009
And any Greenville, SC lurkers, keep your eyes on the local papers with this explosive story for the Upstate, Furman and Bob Jones and Morton and Staton's stompin grounds on the WestSide.
Also raised the question, had the hack from Eastside BC Marietta Georgia who slimed Winfred Moore and Jackson been around to do damage to Frank Page pre Gboro, would Frank assumed the Presidency?
Was was that goons name? I saw him once at Jerry Vines old Church in Rome Georgia.
Day later, something Roberts, of Eastside Marietta, was him, I thank
posted by foxofbama | 12:49 PM
3 Comments:
Stephen Fox,
WOW! I didn’t know I could read so much and get so little. I guess I’m in the wrong world. Reminds me of that poem:
I walked a mile with laughter
She chattered all the way,
But left me none the wiser
For all the things she had to say.
I walked a mile with sorrow
Not a word said she
But oh the things I learned
When sorrow walked with me.
I want to thank you for suggesting I should win the essay contest.
On Wade’s post today about blogging hurting missionaries’ morale; made me think of the ‘hand writing on the wall’ of nothing being done by the committee that is supposed to straighten out the IMB. It's going to be a joke.
Rex Ray
Cecil Staton was the lead quote in Ralph Reed's political obit today in the AJC; though I understand Ralph did very well in the hinterlands of Bircher larry McDonald's old NW Ga. 7th district.
Interesting faultlines in Georgia as ChicFilA backed Gov Perdue got nervous about what Ralph would mean for the Fall.
With Roy Moore's poor showing in Alabama, my friend William Thornton of Statham Georgia is making sport of it all; sport of all the stock folks like Bill Moyers and Bruce Gourley and myself put in the religious right.
Even so it does not let the fundy takeover of the SBC, nor Mohler, nor Richard Land nor Rick Lance off the Hook. they have been whistlin Dixie all the while keepin the Cooperative Program dollars coming in no matter what, business as usual.
Saw my friend John Killian on statewide TV last night, in the background as what turned out to be George Wallace Jr.
s defeat party in the Lt. Gov GOP primary here in Bama.
did Cecil Staton, like Rudolph Guiliani, endorse Ralph Reed, and what role, if any, will Ralph play in Rudy's presidential Bid???
And the other big news of the day is Frank Page's doc dissertation where he endorsed women in the pastorate in 1980. Maybe Killian was right for his world, Frank was a soft fundy after all, and his alleged softness on the Dilday affair was just the tip of the iceberg for the Pressler/Mohler/RonnieFloyd/Paige/visiaonamerica.us Party
see www.ethicsdaily.com/article_detail.cfm?AID=7638
And keep an eye on what Bruce Prescott at Mstream Baps says about it all in the next few days.
Wade Burleson has been kind enough to post my thoughts on his blog in the comments from the IMB board meeting, and I appreciate it.
that was an interesting article you pointed out on wade burleson's blog today. i wonder why the old guard didn't use that as leverage against Page, and if Page still believes that.
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