9-13 Update/Isaiah 19:1,18; Heyrman, Balmer and Snyder And Bl.com
Behold, the Lord is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt; and the idols of Egypt will tremble at his presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will Melt within them....
In that day there will be five cities in the land of Egypt which will speak the language of Caanan and swear allegiance to the Lord of Hosts. One of these will be called the City of the Sun.
Marney could have fun with that text from Isaiah here on September 11th, and in the coming days I hope to as well. Maybe go with the General Sherman allegory or Wayward Christian Soldiers, I'm just not sure.
When I come back hope to have some links for you to Balmer's endorsement of Heyrman's Southern Cross as we pick up where we left off and provide this teachable moment for the Pharoahs lurking out there.
And here is Prentice really embarassing the family and I imagine his PHD daughter in law as well with these inane and ill informed thought on Charles Marsh today at bl.com.
Roughly Marsh is in same circles as Balmer, Mark Noll, Charles Kimball and others the BJC's Brent Walker endorsed Tuesday on the Newsweek Blog. I don't see much resonance between UP and what I understand to be the legacy and leanings of Snyder former pastor Marc Olson; another reason Snyder needs your prayers.
But similar to Lester Maddox and the organ grinder's monkey, the higher Prentice goes up the Pole, the more he shows his Ass.
Sept 13 Update UPrentice speaking like's Baalam's Ass Today at Bl.com
Marsh's book, "Reclaiming Dietrich Bonnhoeffer" might more correctly be called, "Revising Dietrich Bonhoeffer." Marsh's book, "God's Long Summer" was written 33 years after that summer of '64 when the bodies of Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner were found buried near Philadelphia, Mississippi. 1997 was a comfortable, and politically correct time to be writing about events of 1964; and for his efforts Marsh won the Grawemeyer Award at the University of Louisville. And, for her efforts, Fannie Lou Hamer got put in jail. Both men, Marsh and Schaeffer, were gifted with Literary skill, and with a love of Church history; but with their own personal "respective perspectives." A freedom that we all enjoy in this great country, and for which I am grateful on this day that is six years and one day after the infamous attack on our nation by the radical Islamic members of the Al Queda terrorist organization. UNCLE PRENTICE.
"THE TRUTH SHALL REMAIN."---JAN HUSS, 1415... "GOD WILL NOT ASK A PERSON HOW MANY BOOKS HE HAS READ BUT GOD WILL ASK HIM IF HAS DONE HIS BEST FOR THE LOVE OF HIM"..--- MOTHER TERESA.
UNCLE PRENTICE
>Sfox=ps. Even so I would imagine Mother Teresa would ask Prentice how many of Marsh's books he has read before he speaks ex Rectum on them.
I have no doubt Marsh is much more authentic and devoted pilgrim working for justice in the Mother Teresa vein than UP; much bluff and blunder; blowhard and buffoonery
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Sept 12 Update: I noticed today at www.baptistlife.com/forums faith and practice where BDiddy had made a post alerting Winston Fox and other members of Snyder Memorial who may lurk there Brent Walker has joined the panelists at the Newsweek blog on Religion and the Public Square. Brent's first sentence is an endorsement of the thinking of Charles Kimball of Wake Forest and his book When Religion Becomes Evil as a starting text for wise thinking about the continued legacy of 911.
BDiddy also notes Walker is in the company there of greats like Randall Balmer. Both Balmer and Kimball have been points of contention between me and my Uncle who leads a Sunday School class of 55 or so at Snyder.
I do not consider it a personal attack on Snyder Memorial, that even as they seek accomodation and harmony in their transition to new Senior Pastor leadership, they consider the likes of Walker, Balmer and UVA's Charles Marsh; I do not consider it an attack that folks of the larger church community who join them in the progressive Baptist movement, suggest readings that may add depth to the souls and wisdom of individual members, and hopefully guide folks like my Uncle in their later years.
Snyder for sure is an interesting congregation as I have said before, meshing a military community with an academic one, and hopefully providing light in that region of North Carolina.
There were various soundings from that community when Marc Olson resigned, that leadership was not completely transparent. They have had a Town Hall Meeting, apparently are working through the suspicions and frustrations and have begun a healing process from Marc's leavetaking.
I am sure other folks beside Winston Fox will be speaking for them in the coming days. I do hope whatever leadership emerges or remains/continues in this transition will be well versed in the wisdom the likes of Brent Walker and Buddy Shurden; Tony Cartledge, and Johnny Pierce, even from all indications their former pastor Marc Olson hold in high esteem.
And an even more personal note. Public appeal to the administrators at Bl.com. Though I groped and took some fitfalls in trying to make the case I just made; though I might not have been as diplomatic as I hope I have been above, given my long dyfunctional relationship with my Uncle, I do not think appropriate to be sidelined on that board while he maintains full privileges because he tactically timed a whining fit more strategically than I did.
I do hope you will come to a re-evaluation soon and bring me back into the brethren there for this fall season when faith and politics are taking center stage with the nation.
Great resources you have missed just three days this week in my absence
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/on_religion_column/index.html
http://www.ethicsdaily.com/article_detail.cfm?AID=9425
http://www.the-american-interest.com/ai2/index.cfm
And lastly; with these kudos below that intrigued Ed Pettibone at bl.com, the post that sent UP into histrionics, I saw no harm in whatsoever. Surely a congregation such as Snyder's and its peculiar environs in this time when our Country is seeking a new leader and has a mess in Iraq, could gain some wisdom from history from a great book that masterfully tells the story of how ure and ideology shapes religious practice and belief.
I am particularly proud of Balmer's contribution, not only on the jacket blurb, but for Heyrman's attribution in her acknowledgments. It was my Uncle's persistent belittling of Balmer and Marsh that goaded me so at Bl.com. Again my apologies to any other member at Snyder who felt they were ly caught in the crosshair.
"[A] remarkable study. . . . Although other historians . . . have noted the slow process of evangelization that culminated so successfully in the mid-nineteenth century, none have told the story with such compelling detail, compassionate sympathy and wise humor as Heyrman."--Georgia Historical Quarerly
"One of the most engaging and compelling histories I have ever read; indeed, it is the best history of religion in the South that we now have and is sure to become a of how we should do religious history."--Donald Mathews, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
"Although a work of serious interpretation, Christine Heyrman's Southern Cross makes the story of the Christianizing of the South as exciting as a fast-paced adventure story."--Bertram Wyatt-Brown, University of Florida
"A wonderful book. . . . With meticulous documentation and an elegant writing style."--Michael D. Schaffer, Philadelphia Inquirer
"The best portrait I have ever seen of how religion became so entwined with family, community, and identity. . . . A beautifully written and highly readable book."--Drew Gilpin Faust, University of Pennsylvania
"Christine Heyrman has produced a history of extraordinary value for anyone seeking to understand how evangelicalism stamped an entire region. Southern Cross is a fascinating story, full of anecdotes and told with style, wit, and sophistication."--Randall Balmer, Barnard College, Columbia University
"Evangelical religion will never look the same after this beautifully crafted history."--Michael P. Johnson, Johns Hopkins University
In that day there will be five cities in the land of Egypt which will speak the language of Caanan and swear allegiance to the Lord of Hosts. One of these will be called the City of the Sun.
Marney could have fun with that text from Isaiah here on September 11th, and in the coming days I hope to as well. Maybe go with the General Sherman allegory or Wayward Christian Soldiers, I'm just not sure.
When I come back hope to have some links for you to Balmer's endorsement of Heyrman's Southern Cross as we pick up where we left off and provide this teachable moment for the Pharoahs lurking out there.
And here is Prentice really embarassing the family and I imagine his PHD daughter in law as well with these inane and ill informed thought on Charles Marsh today at bl.com.
Roughly Marsh is in same circles as Balmer, Mark Noll, Charles Kimball and others the BJC's Brent Walker endorsed Tuesday on the Newsweek Blog. I don't see much resonance between UP and what I understand to be the legacy and leanings of Snyder former pastor Marc Olson; another reason Snyder needs your prayers.
But similar to Lester Maddox and the organ grinder's monkey, the higher Prentice goes up the Pole, the more he shows his Ass.
Sept 13 Update UPrentice speaking like's Baalam's Ass Today at Bl.com
Marsh's book, "Reclaiming Dietrich Bonnhoeffer" might more correctly be called, "Revising Dietrich Bonhoeffer." Marsh's book, "God's Long Summer" was written 33 years after that summer of '64 when the bodies of Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner were found buried near Philadelphia, Mississippi. 1997 was a comfortable, and politically correct time to be writing about events of 1964; and for his efforts Marsh won the Grawemeyer Award at the University of Louisville. And, for her efforts, Fannie Lou Hamer got put in jail. Both men, Marsh and Schaeffer, were gifted with Literary skill, and with a love of Church history; but with their own personal "respective perspectives." A freedom that we all enjoy in this great country, and for which I am grateful on this day that is six years and one day after the infamous attack on our nation by the radical Islamic members of the Al Queda terrorist organization. UNCLE PRENTICE.
"THE TRUTH SHALL REMAIN."---JAN HUSS, 1415... "GOD WILL NOT ASK A PERSON HOW MANY BOOKS HE HAS READ BUT GOD WILL ASK HIM IF HAS DONE HIS BEST FOR THE LOVE OF HIM"..--- MOTHER TERESA.
UNCLE PRENTICE
>Sfox=ps. Even so I would imagine Mother Teresa would ask Prentice how many of Marsh's books he has read before he speaks ex Rectum on them.
I have no doubt Marsh is much more authentic and devoted pilgrim working for justice in the Mother Teresa vein than UP; much bluff and blunder; blowhard and buffoonery
Posts: 271
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Location: "just south of God" - like Marney
Sept 12 Update: I noticed today at www.baptistlife.com/forums faith and practice where BDiddy had made a post alerting Winston Fox and other members of Snyder Memorial who may lurk there Brent Walker has joined the panelists at the Newsweek blog on Religion and the Public Square. Brent's first sentence is an endorsement of the thinking of Charles Kimball of Wake Forest and his book When Religion Becomes Evil as a starting text for wise thinking about the continued legacy of 911.
BDiddy also notes Walker is in the company there of greats like Randall Balmer. Both Balmer and Kimball have been points of contention between me and my Uncle who leads a Sunday School class of 55 or so at Snyder.
I do not consider it a personal attack on Snyder Memorial, that even as they seek accomodation and harmony in their transition to new Senior Pastor leadership, they consider the likes of Walker, Balmer and UVA's Charles Marsh; I do not consider it an attack that folks of the larger church community who join them in the progressive Baptist movement, suggest readings that may add depth to the souls and wisdom of individual members, and hopefully guide folks like my Uncle in their later years.
Snyder for sure is an interesting congregation as I have said before, meshing a military community with an academic one, and hopefully providing light in that region of North Carolina.
There were various soundings from that community when Marc Olson resigned, that leadership was not completely transparent. They have had a Town Hall Meeting, apparently are working through the suspicions and frustrations and have begun a healing process from Marc's leavetaking.
I am sure other folks beside Winston Fox will be speaking for them in the coming days. I do hope whatever leadership emerges or remains/continues in this transition will be well versed in the wisdom the likes of Brent Walker and Buddy Shurden; Tony Cartledge, and Johnny Pierce, even from all indications their former pastor Marc Olson hold in high esteem.
And an even more personal note. Public appeal to the administrators at Bl.com. Though I groped and took some fitfalls in trying to make the case I just made; though I might not have been as diplomatic as I hope I have been above, given my long dyfunctional relationship with my Uncle, I do not think appropriate to be sidelined on that board while he maintains full privileges because he tactically timed a whining fit more strategically than I did.
I do hope you will come to a re-evaluation soon and bring me back into the brethren there for this fall season when faith and politics are taking center stage with the nation.
Great resources you have missed just three days this week in my absence
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/on_religion_column/index.html
http://www.ethicsdaily.com/article_detail.cfm?AID=9425
http://www.the-american-interest.com/ai2/index.cfm
And lastly; with these kudos below that intrigued Ed Pettibone at bl.com, the post that sent UP into histrionics, I saw no harm in whatsoever. Surely a congregation such as Snyder's and its peculiar environs in this time when our Country is seeking a new leader and has a mess in Iraq, could gain some wisdom from history from a great book that masterfully tells the story of how ure and ideology shapes religious practice and belief.
I am particularly proud of Balmer's contribution, not only on the jacket blurb, but for Heyrman's attribution in her acknowledgments. It was my Uncle's persistent belittling of Balmer and Marsh that goaded me so at Bl.com. Again my apologies to any other member at Snyder who felt they were ly caught in the crosshair.
"[A] remarkable study. . . . Although other historians . . . have noted the slow process of evangelization that culminated so successfully in the mid-nineteenth century, none have told the story with such compelling detail, compassionate sympathy and wise humor as Heyrman."--Georgia Historical Quarerly
"One of the most engaging and compelling histories I have ever read; indeed, it is the best history of religion in the South that we now have and is sure to become a of how we should do religious history."--Donald Mathews, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
"Although a work of serious interpretation, Christine Heyrman's Southern Cross makes the story of the Christianizing of the South as exciting as a fast-paced adventure story."--Bertram Wyatt-Brown, University of Florida
"A wonderful book. . . . With meticulous documentation and an elegant writing style."--Michael D. Schaffer, Philadelphia Inquirer
"The best portrait I have ever seen of how religion became so entwined with family, community, and identity. . . . A beautifully written and highly readable book."--Drew Gilpin Faust, University of Pennsylvania
"Christine Heyrman has produced a history of extraordinary value for anyone seeking to understand how evangelicalism stamped an entire region. Southern Cross is a fascinating story, full of anecdotes and told with style, wit, and sophistication."--Randall Balmer, Barnard College, Columbia University
"Evangelical religion will never look the same after this beautifully crafted history."--Michael P. Johnson, Johns Hopkins University
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Maybe Heyrman,Balmer and Marsh could help Uncle Prentice who continues to have a field day at Bl.com like none of it was his fault; maybe Marsh could help him and his Sunday School Class if life Lincoln he really did want to bind the wounds of our great country together.
Maybe he should be asking these questions of the General whose Axis of Idiots demagoguery he disseminated recently. May put it up in the body of my blog or the next comment line
In meantime, UP today at Bl.com
General Petraeus, or General "Betray-us"
by UNCLE PRENTICE on Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:00 pm
is what Moveon.org. in a NY Newspaper ad called the commanding general of the Battle against Al queda in Iraq. The debate in Congress today was a stellar example of the polarity that exists in our country . It carried over to the two primary combatants in the evening prime time cable network debate: Keith Olbermann and Bill O'Reilly. My wife granted me a special indulgence of the remote for the one hour "show"; and I flicked back and forth. Olbermann had reporter Howard Fineman, and they agreed basically that John Dean's new book, "A Broken Government" is appropriate for such a time as this. O'Reilly had Congressman Ron Paul on, and they agreed that the attack by George Soros and the moveon.org people is a planned attempt for the extreme liberal left takeover of the Democratic party; and they quoted Soros: "We bought it, we own it and we're going to take it (democratic party) back." As for Petraeus himself, he is a soldier; and is tasked with fighting a war. His report was denounced by protests from Cindy Sheehan and others; and was put down by some congressmen as not being a valid analysis of the situation. My reason for posting this? We need to pray for our country in the way that Lincoln said to pray. Not as members of a political party; not as members of a conservative or a liberal constitutioncy, but as concerned citizens to find God's direction and purpose and plan for our nation. UNCLE PRENTICE
Email from Uncle Prentice late May of this Year
The Axis of Idiots.
Right from the heart of Lincoln, don't you think???
And Valley of Elah, premieres Sept 17 Nationwide for the Seminar
Now that Man of God
Winston Prentice Fox
From: "Prentice" : THE AXIS OF IDIOTS IS HERE IN THE DIMS HOUSE.
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:56:29 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Mo
I have seen this before, but wasn't sure you have.
COMMAND SGT MAJOR SPEAKS OUT........
(J.D. Pendry is a retired Army Command Sergeant Major who writes for Random House. HE IS QUITE ELOQUENT, and he seldom beats around the bush!!!)
Jimmy Carter, you're the father of the Islamic Nazi movement. You threw the Shah under the bus, welcomed the Ayatollah home, and then lacked the spine to confront the terrorists when they took our embassy and our people hostage. You're the runner-in-chief.
Bill Clinton, you played ring around the Lewinsky while the terrorists were at war with us. You got us into a fight with them in Somalia , and then you ran from it. Your weak-willed responses to the U.S.S. Cole and the First Trade Center Bombing and Our Embassy Bombings emboldened the killers. Each time you failed to respond adequately they grew bolder, until 9/11.
John Kerry, dishonesty is your most prominent attribute. You lied about American Soldiers in Vietnam . Your military service, like your life, is more fiction than fact. You've accused our Soldiers of terrorizing wom en and children in Iraq . You called Iraq the wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, the same words you used to describe Vietnam . You're a fake. You want to run from Iraq and abandon the Iraqis to murderers just as you did the Vietnamese. Iraq , like Vietnam is another war that you were for, before you were against it.
John Murtha, you said our military was broken. You said we can't win militarily in Iraq . You accused Un ited States Marines of cold-blooded murder without proof. And said we should redeploy to Okinawa . Okinawa John? And the Democrats call you their military expert. Are you sure you didn't suffer a traumatic brain injury while you were off building your war hero resume? You're a sad, pitiable, corrupt and washed up politician. You're not a Marine, sir. You wouldn't amount to a good pimple on a real Marine's ass. You're a phony and a disgrace. "Run away John".
Dick Durbin, you accused our Soldiers at Guantanamo of being Nazis, tenders of Soviet style gulags and as bad as the regime of Pol Pot, who murdered two million of his own people after your party abandoned South East Asia to the Communists. Now you want to abandon the Iraqis to the same fate. History was not a good teacher for you, was it? Lord help us!! See Dick run.
Ted Kennedy, for days on end you held poster-sized pictures from Abu Grhaib in front of any available television camera. Al Jazeera quoted you saying that Iraqi's torture chambers were open under new management. Did you see the news this week, Teddy? The Islamic Nazis demonstrate real torture for you again. If you truly supported our troops, you'd show the world poster-sized pictures of that atrocity and demand the annihilation of it. Your legislation stripping support from the South Vietnamese led to a communist victory there. You' re a bloated drunken fool bent on repeating the same historical blunder that turned freedom-seeking people over to homicidal, genocidal maniacs. To paraphrase John Murtha, all while sitting on your wide, gin-soaked rear-end in Washington
Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Carl Levine, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Russ Feingold, Hillary Clinton , Pat Leahy , Chuck Schumer, et al ad nauseam. Every time you stand in front of television cameras and broadcast to the Islamic Nazis that we went to war beca use our President lied, that the war is wrong and our Soldiers are torturers, that we should leave Iraq, you give the Islamic butchers - the same ones that tortured and mutilated American Soldiers - cause to think that we'll run away again, and all they have to do is hang on a little longer.
American news media, the New York Times particularly: Each time you publish stories about national defense secrets and our intelligence gathering methods, you become one United, with the sub-human pieces of camel dung that torture and mutilate the bodies of American Soldiers. You can't strike up the courage to publish cartoons, but you can help Al Qaeda destroy my country. Actually, you are more dangerous to us than Al Qaeda is. Think about that each time you face Mecca to admire your Pulitzer.
You are America 's "AXIS OF IDIOTS". Your Collective Stupidity will destroy us. Self-serving politics and terrorist abetting news scoops are more important to you than our national security or the lives of innocent civilians and Soldiers. It bothers you that defending ourselves gets in the way of your elitist sport of politics and your ignorant editorializing. There is as much blood on your hands as is on the hands of murdering terrorists. Don't ever doubt that. Your frolics will only serve to extend this war as they extended Vietnam. If you want our Soldiers home, as you claim, knock off the crap and try supporting your country ahead of supporting your silly political aims and aiding our enemies. Yes, I'm questioning your patriotism. Your loyalty ends with self. I'm also questioning why you're stealing air that decent Americans could be breathing. You don't deserve the protection of our men and women in uniform. You need to run away from this war, this country. Leave the war to the people who have the will to see it through and the country to people who are willing to defend it.
No, Mr. President, you don't get off the hook, either. Our country has two enemies: Those who want to destroy us from the outside and those who attempt it from within. Your Soldiers are dealing with the outside force. It's your obligation to support them by confronting the AXIS OF IDIOTS. America must hear it from you that these Self-centered people are harming our country, abetting the enemy and endangering our safety. Well up a little anger, please, and channel it toward the appropriate target. You must prosecute those who leak national security secrets to the media. You must prosecute those in the media who knowingly publish those secrets. Our Soldiers need you to confront the enemy that they cannot. They need you to do it now.
AMEN
J.D. Pendry Army Command Sergeant Major, retired
Attn any Snyder folks who may have found their way here; you may want to check the comment in the Dog and Pony blog today at www.faithinpubliclife.org as we reach deep for guidance in these matters.
by UNCLE PRENTICE on Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:43 pm
"WAY TO GO, JIM." What a work of art you have created here!! When you use the word "Jackass"; you are getting very close to what "Marney said to Milton and to Billy". You are only "half" a world away.My question is: "Are you portraying an iambic
Uncle Prentice calls his own Nephew, Billy's boy a Jack Ass and continues to run amuck posing as a Christian and afficianado of Mother Teresa to boot whose lifestyle is synonymous with his; at Bl.com
by UNCLE PRENTICE on Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:43 pm
"WAY TO GO, JIM." What a work of art you have created here!! When you use the word "Jackass"; you are getting very close to what "Marney said to Milton and to Billy". You are only "half" a world away.My question is: "Are you portraying an iambic pentameter biography of fox here? Or does it just look that way?" If Karl Rove is the architect; Then you are the Poet Laureate. Both affirmations are poignantly true. UNCLE PRENTICE."THE TRUTH SHALL REMAIN."---JAN HUSS, 1415... "GOD WILL NOT ASK A PERSON HOW MANY BOOKS HE HAS READ BUT GOD WILL ASK HIM IF HAS DONE HIS BEST FOR THE LOVE OF HIM"..--- MOTHER TERESA.
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And somebody today please tell Uncle Prentice about the interview of Martin Accad today at ed.com
I met Accad spring 06 at a Seminar provided by Rob Skelton's alma mater, Samford. Shook hands with President Corts that day, just weeks after the Collinsville Library Christians took my head off.
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